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Do Coyotes and Mountain Lions Hunt at the Same Time and Place in the Los Angeles Area? . by Alice B. Clagett

Do Coyotes and Mountain Lions Hunt at the Same Time and Place in the Los Angeles Area?

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  • INTRODUCTION
  • DO COYOTES AND MOUNTAIN LIONS HUNT AT THE SAME TIME AND PLACE IN THE LOS ANGELES AREA?
    Only the questions are in this Table of Contents. Google AI’s answers are in the body of the post beneath the Table of Contents …

    • DIVING DEEPER
  • CONCLUSION
    • House Cat Startles Mountain Lion That Is Outside the Patio Door
    • Mountain Lion Kills House Cat on Patio
    • Packs of Mountain Lions in the Yards of Colorado Houses
    • Learning to Read Mountain Lion Behavior and Learning What Movements We Can Make to Stop Them from Attacking in the Wild
    • How to Survive a Mountain Lion Attack
    • Sidebar: Mature Male and Female Mountain Lions Look Different
    • Sidebar: Which Is More Vicious – a Mature Male Mountain Lion or a Mature Female Mountain Lion?

INTRODUCTION

Dear Ones,

Since there are many Coyotes near my house, and because there are Mountain Lions in the Simi Hills, which are a backdrop to my backyard, I and the Sentinel Dog whom I dubbed ‘Amazing’ and who lives up the hill from me wondered this: If we see Coyotes nearby, does that mean that Mountain Lions are not nearby?

Our thought was that we might relax if we saw the Coyotes (unless there is a pack of them surrounding us, naturally). Did i ever get that wrong! Read on …


DO COYOTES AND MOUNTAIN LIONS HUNT AT THE SAME TIME AND PLACE IN THE LOS ANGELES AREA? 

Dear Ones,

I asked Google AI: Do Coyotes and Mountain Lions Hunt at the Same Time and Place in the Los Angeles Area?

Google AI said: Yes, coyotes and mountain lions hunt at the same time and in the same places in the Los Angeles area, particularly within the urban-wildland interface of the foothills and canyons. While they share habitats, they often actively avoid each other, with coyotes operating as opportunistic, vocal pack hunters and mountain lions acting as solitary, silent ambush predators. 

Shared Hunting Times and Locations

  • Active Times: Both predators are most active during dawn, dusk, and nighttime.
  • Shared Spaces: They share the same territory, specifically canyons, ravines, and hillsides in suburban Los Angeles and surrounding areas like Thousand Oaks.
  • Common Prey: Both prey on similar species, such as deer, rabbits, rodents, and urban pets. 

Interactions and Behavior

  • Enemies with Benefits: Coyotes often follow mountain lions to scavenge from their kills, a relationship known as “enemies with benefits,” as they get food but risk being killed by the lion.
  • Standoffs and Confrontations: While rare, direct standoffs occur. Coyotes have been observed working together in pairs to face down a mountain lion, likely to protect a nearby den or kill.
  • The Power Dynamic: A mountain lion is much larger and typically wins in a fight, occasionally hunting coyotes.
  • Urban Adaptability: Both species can be found navigating the same urban neighborhoods at night, utilizing green belts for travel. 

Coexistence and Human Awareness
Because they share the same areas, homeowners in the LA area are advised to be aware of their presence. Mountain lions often avoid direct confrontations with coyotes, but will kill them if they interfere with their food. The presence of one of these predators often implies the other is nearby. 

DIVING DEEPER

Google AI said: Yes, coyotes  and mountain lions  hunt at the same time and in the same places in the Los Angeles area, often leading to competitive or predatory interactions. 

Overlap in Time

Both species are primarily crepuscular (active at dawn and dusk) and nocturnal

  • Nocturnal Shift: In the Greater Los Angeles area, mountain lions have increasingly shifted to strictly nocturnal schedules to avoid human recreational activity.
  • Coyote Activity: Coyotes are most active at night, especially in urban environments where they hunt for small mammals and occasionally pets.
  • Peak Hunting: Both predators frequently hunt during the low-light hours around dawn and dusk, which are prime times for their shared prey like deer. 

Overlap in Place

They share many of the same habitats throughout Los Angeles, including the Santa Monica MountainsGriffith Park, and residential foothills. 

  • Shared Habitat: Research shows these animals inhabit the same canyons and trails, often captured on the same wildlife cameras.
  • Urban Entry: While mountain lions typically avoid urban areas (venturing in only about 1% of the time), coyotes are highly adapted to urban life and are common in residential neighborhoods. 

Predator-Prey Relationship

When their hunting territories overlap, their relationship is not one of cooperation, but rather dominance: 

  • Mountain Lions as Predators: Mountain lions are top-tier predators that will occasionally hunt and eat coyotes.
  • Standoffs: Video evidence from the Los Angeles and surrounding California areas has captured tense standoffs where coyotes work together to “corral” or defend themselves against a mountain lion. 

These resources detail the hunting overlap and predator-prey dynamics between mountain lions and coyotes in the Los Angeles region:


CONCLUSION

Well, there you have it. Knowledge is power … there is that. Knowledge can put one on edge too, as today’s Google AI query reveals.

Luckily, it appears that the Mountain Lions are only making occasional forays into Chatsworth Nature Preserve (which is adjacent to my house) right now. Looks like solo scouting expeditions rather than hunting expeditions by the whole pack of 5 Mountain Lions, at least as of yesterday.

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I have been checking up on Mountain Lion videos in youtube and have these to recommend for you …

House Cat Startles Mountain Lion That Is Outside the Patio Door

Video: “Funny Fat tabby cat fighting off a mountain lion or cougar,” by Clinical Psychologist, 15 January 2023 … https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-qo1bTl53aw&list=LL&index=18

COMMENTS: Despite their difference in size, it looks like a house cat can startle a Mountain Lion by displaying threat responses similar to those of the Mountain Lion. I note also there is a woman in the home who is distracted from finding out the danger at the patio door by a ringing phone. I feel it is better to assess danger first, and put the phone ringing in abeyance until risk is resolved. I feel talking is less important than acting when danger rears its head. I am saying this especially to my lady Readers, and to those of my men Readers who are more cerebral than action oriented. Heading this prioritizing idea can make the difference between survival and death.

Mountain Lion Kills House Cat on Patio

Video: “Mountain Lion Kills Pet Cat, Mean Mugs Family From Back Patio,”  by Nature Is Metal, 22 September 2024 … https://www.youtube.com/shorts/F7FFcl1MOrE ..

COMMENTS: It looks like the House Cat is no match for the Mountain Lion when both are outdoors. Best effort by the mother in this case is clearly shown: She keeps her child safe behind a locked door and does not attempt to rescue the House Cat, which has likely already been killed by the Mountain Lion at the mother’s patio door.

Medium-Sized Dog Scares Off Mountain Lion

Video: “Backyard Camera Captures Cat [Dog] Scaring away Mountain Lion,” by Animal Surveillance HQ, 12 October 2025 … https://www.youtube.com/shorts/1ugFf09434U ..

COMMENTS: If this video is not AI, then it shows that a medium-sized Dog can scare away a mountain lion. I see that the Dog makes up for being less tall than the Mountain Lion by loudly barking, rushing towards the Mountain Lion, and leaping up in the air in front of it. Could it be that, in that way, it causes a flight response to kick in for the Mountain Lion? Would it be a good idea for a human being … as a last resort while hiking in the wild … to try this Dog’s technique?

Packs of Mountain Lions in the Yards of Colorado Houses

Video: “Man Films Group of Mountain Lions on Porch in Colorado,” by Storyful Viral, 26 July 2018 … https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zlht31L3ERQ ..

COMMENTS: If these videos are not AI, then apparently it is true that Mountain Lions hunt in packs rather than solitarily (as commonly supposed). That is something to take into consideration when deciding how to handle aggression by “one” Mountain Lion in the wild.

Here is a similar instance of pack hunting by Mountain Lions (as opposed to solitary hunting) …

Video: “Mountain Lions Surround Colorado Home in Chilling Backyard Footage,” by New York Post, 6 September 2025 … https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xVACveQa4z0 ..

Learning to Read Mountain Lion Behavior and Learning What Movements We Can Make to Stop Them from Attacking in the Wild

Video: “Cougar Stalks You, Do THIS,” by AnimalCode, 11 December 2025 … https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dh2-_j19Zdg&list=WL&index=9 ..

COMMENTS: The AI language in the above referenced video is a little clumsy, but the messages here seem quite valuable to me. See what you think.

At timestamp 3:21 – 3:24 on Video: “Cougar Stalks You, Do THIS,” by AnimalCode, 11 December 2025 … https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dh2-_j19Zdg&list=WL&index=9 .. I see what appears to be a comparision of the faces of a male (left) and a female (right) Mountain Lion. Compare these to the images at the end of this post.

How to Survive a Mountain Lion Attack

Here is an AI video with some of the the highlights from the above, longer video on the same topic …

VIdeo: “How to Survive a Mountain Lion Attack,”  by Apex Wildlife, 22 November 2024 … https://www.youtube.com/shorts/DNUijE-vACI ..

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Sidebar: Mature Male and Female Mountain Lions Look Different

Here are two effected images that show the differences between the ways that mature male and female Mountain Lions look. These images are based on the photo “Puma concolor,” by Julian Welbrock on Flicker, CC-BY-NC-SA 2.0 … https://www.pinterest.com/pin/351912451721014/ ..

Image: Male (left) and Female (right) Mountain LIons 1,” effected from “Puma concolor,” by Julian Welbrock on Flicker … https://www.pinterest.com/pin/351912451721014/ … , CC-BY-NC-SA 2.0 ..

Image: Male (left) and Female (right) Mountain LIons 1,” effected from “Puma concolor,” by Julian Welbrock on Flicker … https://www.pinterest.com/pin/351912451721014/ … , CC-BY-NC-SA 2.0 ..

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Image: Male (left) and Female (right) Mountain LIons 2,” effected from “Puma concolor,” by Julian Welbrock on Flicker … https://www.pinterest.com/pin/351912451721014/ … , CC-BY-NC-SA 2.0 ..

Image: Male (left) and Female (right) Mountain LIons 2,” effected from “Puma concolor,” by Julian Welbrock on Flicker … https://www.pinterest.com/pin/351912451721014/ … , CC-BY-NC-SA 2.0 ..

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Sidebar: 
Which Is More Vicious – a Mature Male Mountain Lion or a Mature Female Mountain Lion?

A mature female mountain lion with kittens is generally considered more vicious, or aggressive, due to maternal instincts, while a mature male is physically stronger and more territorial. Females must defend young, whereas males focus on hunting larger prey like moose (36% of diet) to maintain larger bodies. 

Key Differences in Behavior:

  • Mature Female (with young): Often more dangerous when threatened, as they will fiercely defend their kittens, exhibiting extreme aggression.
  • Mature Male: More solitary and territorial, often hunting larger animals (36% moose, 44% deer) and killing more biomass on average annually. 

Both are efficient, apex predators; however, a female’s protective nature can lead to more intense aggression in defense scenarios. –Google AI

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God bless you all,
And keep you safe,
And be with you
Through all your days.

In love, light and joy
This is Alice B. Clagett.
I Am of the Stars … and so are you!

Compiled and published on 17 March 2026; revised on 8 May 2026


MORE INFORMATION

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If you see purple font, that is being used for a term described in “More Information.”

I am using brown font for my questions in the Q&A. Also, through sparing use of square brackets and brown font, I sometimes change the transcript slightly or add my Comments to it.

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In many cases AI responses do not express my point of view precisely, and in some cases, not at all.  But I feel they do apprize me and my Readers of where other Lightworkers and Ascensioneers, as well as Esotericists, Theologians, Psychologists and Psychiatrists stand with regard to my channelings. They also provide brief, well organized responses to queries about commonly known facts.

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Notice: Another Video with Mountain Lion Roars in It Has Been Transcribed . by Alice B. Clagett

Listen twice for the Ro-a-ar! of a Male Mountain Lion on the video!

Notice: Another Video with Mountain Lion Roars in It Has Been Transcribed

Notices

Dear Ones,

Today I revised this video, added the Mountain Lion talk to the transcript, and edited the youtube transcript … Listen twice for the Ro-a-ar! of a Male Mountain Lion on the video!

Link: “Raven Talk and Mountain Lion Talk: Franklin Fire – 12 December 2024,” by Alice B. Clagett, filmed on 12 December 2024, produced and published on 20 December 2024, and transcribed on 22 December 2024; youtube transcript edited on 9 March 2026 … https://wp.me/p2Rkym-zU5

PREP WORK
Here are other people’s videos with Mountain Lion roaring sounds …

Video: “Hear the Cougar Roar!” by dholpathakworld, in youtube … https://www.youtube.com/shorts/rqkm6okBVpsCOMMENTS: I also hear a rough and tough mezzo-soprano voice saying: “I want OUT OF THIS …D-MN PLACE!” Can you hear it?

Video: “Backyard Growl! Mountain Lion in Santa Barbara!” by AtCatsPeacocks, in youtube … https://www.youtube.com/shorts/KiRE8ebnH_8COMMENTS: I also hear a tenor voice say: “I don’t know why you are looking at me when I am going away.” Do you hear it?

Video: “What Does a Mountain Lion Sound Like? (Terrifying Growl of a Cougar),” by Nozy by Natures, in youtube … https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ScA4Q1fqMvgCOMMENTS: These are clips of different kinds of purrs and growls. Here are the words I hear along with the roaring sounds …

  • Clip 1 (2 Mountain Lions on a Rock): While roaring, the Mountain Lion on the left says in a low, burred voice: I am snoring now. I am old.
  • Clip 2: While yawning and roaring the Mountain Lion says: I am yawning.
  • Clip 3: While walking, the Mountain Lion says: That lady does not love me at ALL. NO, NOT AT ALL!
  • Clip 4: Who ARE you. [licking lips] Ohhh, I will eat.
  • Clip 5 (very brief, Mountain Lion approaching from right) and Clip 6: another Mountain Lion walking. The first Mountain Lion (presumably that’s the one) screams: I DON’T LOVE you!
  • Clip 7 (Mountain Lion with reddish hair growls/purrs): You are looking at me, hoping I will walk along.

God bless you all,
Keep you safe,
And be with you
Through all your days.

In love, light and joy
This is Alice B. Clagett.
I Am of the Stars … and so are you.

Written and published on 9 March 2026

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Notice: Video Transcribed – Mountain Lion Talk Added . by Alice B. Clagett

Listen twice for the Hiss! of the Male Mountain Lion Cub on the video!

Clairvoyant Overlays

Notices

Dear Ones,

Today I revised this video, added the Mountain Lion talk to the transcript, and edited the youtube transcript … Listen twice for the Hiss! of the Male Mountain Lion Cub on the video!

Link: “Mild Geostorm: Raven Talk and Mountain Lion Family Talk,” by Alice B. Clagett, filmed on 17 December 2024 and published on 19 December 2024; revised and youtube transcript edited on 8 March 2026 … https://wp.me/p2Rkym-zRN ..

God bless you all,
Keep you safe,
And be with you
Through all your days.

In love, light and joy
This is Alice B. Clagett.
I Am of the Stars … and so are you.

Written and published on 8 March 2026

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Red-Breasted House Finch (Roselin familier) Warns of Great, Big Mountain Lion . by Alice B. Clagett

Notes for the Rangers at the Paramount Ranch Ranger Station and Malibu Creek State Park
At Paramount Ranch: The gentleman who was bedding down in the white storage pod just south of the Ranger Station and barn – The one whose mattress and bedding was in the trash there on 3 March 2026?

My psychic impression that day was this: That gentleman got out of the storage pod at night to relieve himself and the Mountain Lion got him. His body is scattered here and there, as it was shared by the Mountain Lion pride. 

I would check for remains in the lee of Sugarloaf Peak, in the low gap between the mountain and the small foothill in front of the mountain, which ends before the flat space in front of the treed borders of Medea Creek.

There is a National Park Service map of Paramount Ranch here … https://www.nps.gov/samo/planyourvisit/paramountranch.htm … Sugarloaf Peak is at the bottom left-hand side of the map.

Hope this makes sense to you. One never knows about messages sent via the astral plane.

Malibu Creek State Park. Also, yesterday, 6 March 2026 at a little after noon I walked halfway to the Visitor Center on Crags Road at Malibu Creek State Park. I was alone, having passed several small parties of people who were heading for the parking lot.

There I got a strong telepathic warning to go back to the trail head. I sensed a large, male Mountain Lion heading down the mountain on the far side of Malibu Creek. Coincidentally I noticed a female Mountain Lion and several others approaching from the cleft in the mountains to the right of Crags Trail.

As I strode briskly back towards the parking lot I noticed a young man talking on a handheld on the right side of the trail. He looked well bred … not homeless … but undernourished. 

I looked up and saw two youngish people … whether two men or a man and a woman, I cannot say … converging towards him in the delta on the far side of Malibu Creek.

Shortly along the trail, on my right, along Las Virgenes Creek, I saw a young man with broad shoulders squatting with a handheld, which he held up to take a picture of me.

When I got to the stairs to the parking lot, two rough and strong young men talking in street gang lingo were descending the stairs, so I took the gate route and crossed the road that leads to the campground. As I did so I saw two young men equally strong and rough leaving the restroom area on their way to Crags Road.

I then walked back to my car via Crags Road where it runs on the south side of Parking Lot 3.

There is a map of Malibu Creek State Park at the California State parks site … https://www.parks.ca.gov/?page_id=614 ..

I have a concern that single walkers in the afternoon may be picked off in the afternoon by young people looking for spare change. Could that be possible?

Could it be that the Mountain Lions are descending from the mountains in mid-afternoon to look for and to ‘do in’ injured victims of theft? 

Could you also check whether the cars of putatively missing and consumed single hikers might be being driven off to a chop shop late in the day on weekday afternoons?

This probably makes no sense at all. Still, I would greatly appreciate your making sure it is not so.

Image: “Red-Breasted House Finch,” by Alice B. Clagett, 3 March 2026, CC BY-SA 4.0 International, from “Awakening with Planet Earth,” https://awakeningwithplanetearth.com ..

Image: “Red-Breasted House Finch,” by Alice B. Clagett, 3 March 2026, CC BY-SA 4.0 International, from “Awakening with Planet Earth,” https://awakeningwithplanetearth.com ..

  • INTRODUCTION
  • VIDEO BY ALICE
  • SUMMARY OF THE VIDEO
  • HOUSE FINCH
  • AUDIO CREDITS
  • VIDEO CREDITS
  • MORE INFORMATION

INTRODUCTION

Image: “Paramount Ranch,” by Alice B. Clagett, 3 March 2026, CC BY-SA 4.0 International, from “Awakening with Planet Earth,” https://awakeningwithplanetearth.com ..

Image: “Paramount Ranch,” by Alice B. Clagett, 3 March 2026, CC BY-SA 4.0 International, from “Awakening with Planet Earth,” https://awakeningwithplanetearth.com ..

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Dear Ones,

This is an encounter with a Red-Breasted House Finch at Paramount Ranch, Santa Monica Mountains, California. The Finch warns me about a very big Mountain Lion approaching me from the lee of Sugarloaf Peak, from a low gap between the mountain and the small foothill in front of the mountain. Just east of that is the Paramount Ranch Ranger Station.

I didn’t see the Mountain Lion, but the House Finch was so very vocal, and so definite about its being quite close by, and with quite a wicked intent towards me, that I spooked and headed for the car the minute the Finch left in a flurry of its beautiful wings.

At the picnic tables by the Ranger Station was seated a man with a wide-brim hat. Next to him was a German Shepherd with a black head.

After I left there I heard, on the telepathic plane, that the man clairly saw this very big Mountain Lion approaching him and his dog. I asked him to get in his car quickly, but you know how men are! They have their own ideas, and they abide by them.

Consequently, I am not at all certain what happened next. I hope for the best, both for the man and for his very fine German Shepherd.

There is a Summary after the video …

VIDEO BY ALICE

SUMMARY OF THE VIDEO

“Red-Breasted House Finch (Roselin familier) Warns of Great, Big Mountain Lion”
By Alice B. Clagett

[CAPTION: Click “Show Transcript.”]\

[CAPTION:Turn Audio Up When House Finch Is Speaking.]

House Finch 1 to House FInch 2 (excited, distraught): Jesus Effing Christ, there’s a great big … GREAT BIG Mountain Lion right there!

House Finch 2 to House FInch 1: What?! What?! Where IS it?

House Finch 1 to House FInch 2: It’s right there.

Raven to House FInches: Stop, stop, stop!

House Finch 2 to House Finch 1: Great Mercy! There’s a quite … quite, quite large Mountain Lion.

House Finch 1 to House Finch 2: I can see it sneaking up. It’s right over there. See it?

House Finch to House Finch 1: It’s right there. Maybe you can’t see it but I … yeppy yep yep … CAN see it. It’s raising its head right over there.

Mountain Lion 1 to House Finch 1 (mildly amused, speaking in a low, deep, rumbling mutter): Don’t tell her anything please. PLEASE don’t talk to her. PLEASE don’t say anything at all.

Mountain Lion 2 (simultaneously): I’m going to EAT her. I’m going to EAT her.

House Finch to Alice (simultaneously): There it goes again. EAT-ing her! EAT-ing her! See it?

House Finch 2 (turning its head to look at me), speaking to House FInch 1: Jesus Christ, She can’t even SEE it! Sweet Jesus, It says its going to EAT you. I can’t stand it. It’s going to EAT YOU.

Alice to House Finch: Kind of pretty bird!

House Finch 2 to House Finch 1: Jesus Effing Christ, She really can’t see ANYTHING.

Alice to House Finch 2: Are you a Red Grosbeak?

Mountain Lion 1 to Alice (laughing in a low, rumbling voice): RIGHT! THAT’S it!

House Finch 2 to Alice: We’re HOUSE Finches!

House Finch 2 (looking at Alice), and speaking to House Finch 1: She doesn’t even know what type of Bird is here!

Alice to House Finch 2: I see.

House Finch 2 to Alice: Jesus CHRIST! DON’T SAY IT!

Thoroughly consternated, House Finch 2 flies off.

Alice to Readers: That bird right there said, “There’s a great, big Mountain Lion right over there, on that tall mountain there.” That’s Paramount Mountain. [No, That’s Sugarloaf Peak at Paramount Ranch.]

Other House Finches beg Alice not to say that.

Alice to Readers: But you can’t see it right now, it said, …

Raven: Stop, stop!

Alice to Readers (continuing): … because it’s hiding between this and the place that goes down after that, and then it goes back up again. And it’s hiding in between.

Mountain Lion (in a low growl, suppressing anger): It knows where we live!

House Finches, greatly alarmed, beg Alice not to say that.

House Finch 1 to Alice: Can’t you see how angry it’s getting?

Alice to Readers: Do you understand? [I’m speaking of the lee of Paramount Ranch Sugarloaf Peak, from a low gap between the mountain and the small foothill in front of the mountain. Just north-northeast of that is the Paramount Ranch Ranger Station.]

Finch 1 to other Finches: Christ! He will eat her up right, right there!

Mountain Lion 1 (feeling jolly): Yes! He WILL eat her up.

Alice to Readers: I was right over here. [Shows path heading south along Medea Creek), ..

House Finch 1 to other House Finches (sarcastically): She says, “Right over HERE,” VERY good. She’s describing it.

Alice to Readers (continuing): … I was going down this way, and that Bird said, “Don’t go any farther!” …

Mountain Lion 1: I’ll be.

House Finch 1 to Alice: She CER-tainly DID!

Alice to Readers (continuing): … Not only that, there’s a CRICKET over here … [Shows grass to left of trail.]

Cricket to Alice: That’s … right. There’s a … CRICKET.

Alice to Readers: Cricket said …

House Finch 3: She hears it!

House Finch 1: Right!

Cricket to Alice: That’s … right, … I’m a …. Cricket. [And I said:] Don’t … go … over …. there. … Don’t … go … there.

Alice to Readers (repeating what Cricket said): “Don’t … go … any … higher. … Don’t … go ….” Can you hear it? They’re all so insistent!

Mountain Lion 1 to Alice: Yes, they ARE.

[Ranger station is in the background, on the right.]

Alice to Readers: Well, The Red Grosbeak [whoops; it’s a House Finch] just flew off. It said, “I can’t bear to watch this thing.”

House Finch 2 to Alice: Yes, it @#$! !@# DID!

[Alice: Ouch!]

Alice to House Finch 2: Why not? What’s up?

House FInch 2 to Alice: It’s . Getting ….

Alice to House Finch 1: It’s getting closer?!

House Finch 2 to Alice (continuing): … Closer.

Alice to Readers: Ok. So I have to walk back to the car. The car is right here. It’s at the visitor center [Ranger Station] right here.

Alice to Readers (continuing): See? This is so surreal!

Alice to Readers (continuing): That Red Grosbeak [no, it’s a House Finch] really knows what’s up!

Alice to Readers (continuing): And the Cricket knows what’s up. I don’t know what to do!

Cricket to Alice: Thank … you … for … mentioning … me.

Alice to Readers (continuing): They say that the great, big Mountain Lion is getting closer …

Alice to Readers (continuing): … from the Paramount Mountain [Sugarloaf Peak, on which the Paramount logo may have been modeled] over there … a very famous mountain …

Alice to Readers (continuing): … And it has to be a very famous Mountain Lion … probably the MOST famous …

Alice to Readers (continuing): … I think we’d better get going.

God bless you all, and keep you safe, and be with you through all your days.

In love, Light and joy, this is Alice B. Clagett. I Am of the Stars … and so are you!

Come and visit me at my wonderful, world class, WordPress website, …

House Finch 2 to Alice: He’s right over there.

Mountain Lion to Alice (feeling amused): I’m right over here.

Alice to Readers: See anything?

House Finch 2 to Alice: He’s right over THERE.

Alice to Readers (continuing):… “Awakening with Planet Earth: … https://awakeningwithplanetearth.com

Raven: Stop, stop!

Alice to Readers (continuing): See you there!

[I hear a Wham! sound to my left.]   Oops!

Alice to Readers: Shades of M. Night Shyamalan!

Alice to Readers: False alarm!

Raven to Alice: Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha!

House Finch 2 (chuckling): VERY FUNNY! She thinks it’s really funny!

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Filmed on 3 March 2026 and published on 7 March 2026; youtube transcript edited on 7 March 2026

Image: “Sugarloaf Mountain at Paramount Ranch,” by Alice B. Clagett, 3 March 2026, CC BY-SA 4.0 International, from “Awakening with Planet Earth,” https://awakeningwithplanetearth.com ..

Image: “Sugarloaf Mountain at Paramount Ranch,” by Alice B. Clagett, 3 March 2026, CC BY-SA 4.0 International, from “Awakening with Planet Earth,” https://awakeningwithplanetearth.com ..

HOUSE FINCH

The House Finch star of this movie has several names. Someone told the House Finch at my house that it is a Grosbeak. That is not so. As the House Finch at Paramount Ranch explained, it’s true name is House Finch.

Because I find this Finch so fetching, so very endearing, I call it by these names: Red-Breasted House Finch, Roselin familiar, and Fair Rose My Friend.

These names reminded me of the old-fashioned song “My Wild Rose” by Edward MacDowell, so I added the instrumental audio of that song to this video.

AUDIO CREDITS

Audio: “To a Wild Rose,” by Edward MacDowell, Sketch No. 1 from “Woodland Sketches, Op. 51,”
1896, Chase Coleman (piano), from IMSLP … “Free Recordings” (public domain or licensed under Creative Commons)

“To a Wild Rose”
By Edward MacDowell
Lyrics

“Come, oh, songs! come, oh, dreams!
Soft the gates of day close,
Sleep, my birds, sleep, streams!
Sleep, my wild rose!

Pool and bud, hill and deep,
You who wore my robes, sleep!
Droop, East! die, West!
Let my land rest.

Woods, I woke your boughs!
Hills, I woke your elf-throngs!
Land, All thy hopes and woes
Rang from me in songs!

Come, oh, songs! Come, oh, dreams!
In our house is deep rest!
Through the pines gleams, gleams,
Bright the gold West.

There the flutes shall cry,
there the viols weep.
Laugh my dreams, and sigh!
Sing and vigil keep,
Awake, wild rose.”

VIDEO CREDITS

“Red-Breasted House Finch (Roselin familier) Warns of Great, Big Mountain Lion”
By Alice B. Clagett

Filmed on 3 March 2026 and produced on 7 March 2026
Location: Paramount Ranch, Santa Monica Mountains, Los Angeles, CA

Creative Commons BY-SA 4.0 International –
By Alice B. Clagett

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My website is “Awakening with Planet Earth” … https://awakeningwithplanetearth.com

MORE INFORMATION

There is a very nice recording of the song in the video … maybe with slightly different words … here …

Video: “O A WILD ROSE 🌹MacDowell Original Lyrics Words text trending 1896 sing along song music,” by Szabo Music, 20 April 2024 … https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l6F3TpN5Xu0 ..

Don Read did a simple, bright, copyrighted changeup to the lyrics in 2004 … https://www.donread.net/to-a-wild-rose.html ..

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Audio: “To a Wild Rose,” by Edward MacDowell, Sketch No. 1 from “Woodland Sketches, Op. 51,” 1896, Chase Coleman (piano), from IMSLP … “Free Recordings” (public domain or licensed under Creative Commons)

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Can Nanday Parakeets Claim Citizenship? … ‘Might Makes Right’ in the Santa Monica Mountains. What to Do? . by Alice B. Clagett

In this post, quotes from Google AI are in light blue font.

Google AI: Can Nanday Parakeets Claim Citizenship? ... 'Might Makes Right' in the Santa Monica Mountains. What to Do?

Image: “AI Logo,” adapted from Image by Pete Linforth from Pixabay – Pixabay License

  • INTRODUCTION 
  • CAN NANDAY PARAKEETS CLAIM CITIZENSHIP? … ‘MIGHT MAKES RIGHT’ IN THE SANTA MONICA MOUNTAINS. WHAT TO DO?
    • I asked Google AI: There are wild Nanday parakeet colonies in Florida and California. Nanday parakeets (aka Black-hooded parakeets or Nanday conures) are originally from the Pantanal in South America. Captured and enslaved Nanday parakeets escaped from or were released by their owners in the late 1960s to early 1970s and established these Maroon colonies in the United States. Nanday parakeets live 15-30 years. Thus modern day Nanday parakeet Maroons were, in most cases, born in the United States. If these Nanday parakeet Maroons were known to be sentient beings, how would United States law resolve the argument as to their right to vote?
      • DIVING DEEPER
    • I asked Google AI: Under the 18th and 19th-century doctrine of “coverture,” sentient married human women were treated, to some extent, as sentient property. Yet today human women in the United States have the status of legal personhood. If Nanday parakeets were found to be a sentient species, and if they should agree to the sovereignty of the United States, might United States law confer upon them the status of legal personhood? Failing that, might they be granted federal Nanday reservations with rights like those accruing to the 326 federal Indian reservations in the U.S. that are managed by the Bureau of Indian Affairs?
    • I asked Google AI: Please consider this scenario: There is an unspoken law that the alpha predator, prior to the Ascension of Planet Earth, had the right to establish ownership of land, by way of “might makes right” or kratocracy. “The strong do what they can and the weak suffer what they must,” as spoken by the Athenian historian Thucydides long ago. In recent centuries the strongest of the alpha predators have been human primates. They proclaim they own the land here in the United States, yes? Mountain Lions are a contending alpha predator that was confined to remote areas of the Western United States until their resurgence in recent years. In the Santa Monica Mountains of California Mountain Lions reintroduced by human primates several years ago gained alpha predator status. Nanday parakeets must choose with which alpha predator to align: with human primates (who are now no longer the alpha predator) or with Mountain Lions. Neither Nanday parakeets nor Mountain Lions are granted United States citizenship, so they are not constrained to obey our laws. With whom should the Nanday parakeets align?
    • Google AI asked: Do you want to examine how urban ecology specifically documents the “shield effect,” where prey species move closer to humans specifically to escape wild alpha predators? … I said: Yes.
    • I asked Google AI: Please consider this scenario: Mountain Lion populations in California burgeon near Human Primate habitations. Mountain Lions begin to cull Human Primate males at age 12 when these encroach on wild lands ruled by Mountain Lions as alpha predators. Mountain Lions are known to ‘speak with forked tongue’; they promise prey safety, then pounce upon them and gulp them down. A Mountain Lion tells a Human mother, whose child he has just eaten, that his tribe or pack do eat Humans, but will not eat many of them. How ought the mother and her community respond?
    • Google AI asked: Do you want to analyze whether “negotiation” is even possible with a species that views you primarily as a caloric resource rather than a political peer? … I said: Yes.
    • Google AI asked: Would you like to examine the “Trophy Hunter” vs. “Shepherd” archetypes in folklore, which illustrate how humans have historically dealt with predators that breach the social contract? … I said: Yes.
    • Google AI asked: Given the Nanday parakeets’ success in living as “Maroons” on the fringes, would you like to see how human communities in “conflict zones” (like the Sundarbans in India) use masks and decoys to trick predators who hunt humans? … I said: Yes.
    • Google AI asked: Would you like to explore how “lion lights” (solar-powered flashing LEDs) have been used in Africa to stop nocturnal predators from breaching human-engineered bomas? … I said: Yes.
    • Google AI asked: Would you like to analyze how AI-driven “Smart Fencing” is currently being developed to distinguish between different species of predators before triggering a specific deterrent? … I said: Yes.
    • Google AI asked: Would you like to examine how “Predictive Modeling” is now being used to forecast conflict hotspots before a predator even arrives in a human-dominated area? … I said: Yes.
    • THE WRAP
      • I said: Google AI, That’s all for now. Thanks, as always, for your many insights. Till next time! –Alice B. Clagett
      • Google AI said: It has been a pleasure exploring this fascinating intersection of kratocracy, urban ecology, and interspecies strategy with you, Alice. From the “Maroon” resilience of the Nanday parakeets to the high-tech “human shields” used to counter-maneuver alpha predators, the lessons remain the same: survival in a world of “might” belongs to those who best adapt their intelligence and boundaries. I look forward to our next deep dive into the strange and wonderful complexities of our world. Until next time! Would you like to bookmark this “Predatory Strategy” thread or perhaps receive a summary of the AI-driven defense concepts we discussed for future reference?
      • I liked and closed the thread.
  • CONCLUSION
  • MORE INFORMATION
    • Notes
    • Maroon Survival Strategies
    • Wolves versus Dogs

INTRODUCTION

Dear Ones,

Here is Google AI fielding the question whether Nanday parakeets can claim citizenship in the United States, and whether a bargain can be struck with Mountain Lions in the Santa Monica Mountains to prevent our human children being eaten.


CAN NANDAY PARAKEETS CLAIM CITIZENSHIP? … ‘MIGHT MAKES RIGHT’ IN THE SANTA MONICA MOUNTAINS. WHAT TO DO?

Dear Ones,

I asked Google AI: There are wild Nanday parakeet colonies in Florida and California.

Nanday parakeets (aka Black-hooded parakeets or Nanday conures) are originally from the Pantanal in South America.

Captured and enslaved Nanday parakeets escaped from or were released by their owners in the late 1960s to early 1970s and established these Maroon colonies in the United States.

Nanday parakeets live 15-30 years. Thus modern day Nanday parakeet Maroons were, in most cases, born in the United States.

If these Nanday parakeet Maroons were known to be sentient beings, how would United States law resolve the argument as to their right to vote?

Google AI said: Based on current U.S. law, which defines personhood and voting rights exclusively for human beings, even a known sentient population of Nanday parakeets in Florida and California would not have the right to vote. Legal, scientific, and constitutional frameworks would need a complete, unprecedented shift to recognize non-human legal personhood. 

  • Definition of Voter: Under the U.S. Constitution and state laws, voting is a right reserved for citizens, who are defined as persons.
  • Legal Status of Animals: Currently, animals are generally classified as property, even if they are protected by wildlife laws.
  • Sentience vs. Rights: While evidence of sentience might bolster arguments for improved welfare laws (such as protection from being killed as pests or managed as invasive species), it does not legally elevate a species to “personhood” or confer political rights.
  • Environmental Status: As noted in FWC and Instagram, these birds are viewed as non-native, invasive, or naturalized, which further distances them from the legal framework of citizenship. 

Therefore, U.S. law would likely categorize the argument for their right to vote as a non-starter under existing legal precedents, regardless of their intelligence or ability to form communities. 


DIVING DEEPER

Google AI said: Under current United States law, even if Nanday parakeets were proven to be sentient, they would not be granted the right to vote. American jurisprudence resolves the question of suffrage through two primary legal hurdles: legal personhood and citizenship status.

1. The Threshold of Legal Personhood – While some animal rights advocates (like the Nonhuman Rights Project) have attempted to secure “legal personhood” for sentient species via habeas corpus petitions, U.S. courts have consistently ruled that “personhood” is a status reserved for humans and, in specific contexts, corporations. Currently, animals are classified as property. Sentience might theoretically elevate their status to “sentient property” (granting them more robust protections against cruelty), but it does not automatically confer the civil rights associated with legal personhood.

  1. Constitutional Requirements for Suffrage

Even if Nanday parakeets were recognized as “persons,” the 14th, 15th, 19th, and 26th Amendments of the U.S. Constitution restrict the right to vote to citizens.

  • Birthright Citizenship: Under the 14th Amendment, citizenship is granted to “all persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof.”
  • The Jurisdiction Clause: Courts have historically interpreted this to mean individuals who owe direct allegiance to the U.S. government. Because wild animals do not enter into a social contract or recognize the sovereignty of the state, they are generally not considered “subject to the jurisdiction” in a way that confers citizenship.
  1. Statutory Definitions

Most state and federal election laws explicitly define a “voter” as a “human being” or a “natural person.” Resolving the argument in favor of the parakeets would require a massive overhaul of the Voting Rights Act and state constitutions, which currently assume a baseline of human cognitive participation and the ability to register via specific identification.

In summary, the law treats “sentience” as a biological fact, but “voter” as a specific legal and political status that the U.S. legal system currently tethers exclusively to human citizens.

Would you like to explore how “personhood” arguments have fared for other highly intelligent species, like chimpanzees or dolphins, in recent court cases?


I asked Google AI: Under the 18th and 19th-century doctrine of “coverture,” sentient married human women were treated, to some extent, as sentient property. Yet today human women in the United States have the status of legal personhood.

If Nanday parakeets were found to be a sentient species, and if they should agree to the sovereignty of the United States, might United States law confer upon them the status of legal personhood?

Failing that, might they be granted federal Nanday reservations with rights like those accruing to the 326 federal Indian reservations in the U.S. that are managed by the Bureau of Indian Affairs?

Google AI said: While the historical evolution from “coverture” to legal personhood for women offers a compelling philosophical parallel, current United States law remains resistant to extending such status to non-human species, regardless of their sentience or theoretical “agreement” to sovereignty. 

  1. The Legal Personhood Argument

Even if Nanday parakeets  were found to be sentient and expressed a desire to join the “social contract,” several factors would likely block their recognition as legal persons:

  • Legislative Supremacy: Recent court rulings, including a January 2025 Colorado Supreme Court decision and an October 2025 Michigan Court of Appeals ruling, have consistently held that legal personhood for animals is a “bridge too far” for the judiciary. Judges have repeatedly stated that such a “societal-changing” shift must originate in legislatures, not the courts. [COMMENTS: I think this means new laws would need to be enacted, and not that animal rights as sentient species are an impossibility. –Alice B. Clagett]
  • The “Duties and Responsibilities” Test: Courts often define a “legal person” not just by cognitive sophistication, but by the capacity to bear legal duties and societal responsibilities. In cases involving chimpanzees and elephants, judges have ruled that because these animals cannot be held legally accountable for their actions in a human sense, they cannot be granted human-equivalent rights like habeas corpus.
  • Status as Property: Despite their sentience, animals are still legally classified as property. While laws like the Migratory Bird Treaty Act provide significant protections against harm, they do not grant the birds “standing” to sue in their own right.
  1. The “Nanday Reservation” and Tribal SovereigntyThe possibility of granting federal reservations similar to those managed by the Bureau of Indian Affairs faces distinct legal barriers:
  • Political Entity vs. Biological Species: U.S. tribal sovereignty is rooted in the status of tribes as “domestic dependent nations”—political entities that existed prior to the U.S. Constitution. Federal recognition is based on a historical political relationship, not just residency or sentience. [COMMENTS: Apparently Nanday parakeets would need to put up armed resistance in order to be considered a political entity? –Alice B. Clagett]
  • Bureau of Indian Affairs (BIA) Jurisdiction: The BIA’s mandate is specifically tied to trust responsibilities for human tribal members and their lands. There is currently no legal framework that allows a non-human species to be recognized as a “sovereign nation” capable of entering into treaties or managing trust land. [COMMENTS: Then might there be a Bureau of Sentient Animal Affairs? –Alice B. Clagett]
  • Existing Conservation Frameworks: Instead of reservations, the U.S. uses the Endangered Species Act and the National Wildlife Refuge System to protect habitats. These provide “protected areas” but do not confer the political rights or self-governance inherent to Indian reservations.

In short, while the law can acknowledge sentience to increase welfare protections, it treats citizenship and personhood as political constructs that the current system does not extend beyond human beings.

Would you like to see how state-level “best interest” laws are starting to treat companion animals differently than other forms of property in divorce or custody cases?


I asked Google AI: Please consider this scenario:

There is an unspoken law that the alpha predator, prior to the Ascension of Planet Earth, had the right to establish ownership of land, by way of “might makes right” or kratocracy. “The strong do what they can and the weak suffer what they must,” as spoken by the Athenian historian Thucydides long ago.

In recent centuries the strongest of the alpha predators have been human primates. They proclaim they own the land here in the United States, yes?

Mountain Lions are a contending alpha predator that was confined to remote areas of the Western United States until their resurgence in recent years.

In the Santa Monica Mountains of California Mountain Lions reintroduced by human primates several years ago gained alpha predator status.

Nanday parakeets must choose with which alpha predator to align: with human primates (who are now no longer the alpha predator) or with Mountain Lions.

Neither Nanday parakeets nor Mountain Lions are granted United States citizenship, so they are not constrained to obey our laws.

With whom should the Nanday parakeets align?

Google AI said: In a kratocratic framework where legal status is irrelevant and survival is the only currency, the Nanday parakeets face a strategic choice between two very different types of “might.”

From a biological and survival standpoint, the parakeets would likely find more security by aligning with human primates. Here is the strategic breakdown:

  1. The Argument for Humans (The Infrastructure Alpha)

While Mountain Lions hold local tactical dominance in the brush, humans remain the global apex predator through technology and environmental modification.

  • Resource Monopolization: Humans control the high-calorie food sources (ornamental fruit trees, bird feeders, and agricultural runoff) that allow Nanday colonies to thrive in non-native climates.
  • Habitat Engineering: Human cities provide “thermal islands” and architectural nesting sites that protect parakeets from the elements in ways a Mountain Lion’s territory cannot.
  • Protection by Proxy: By living in human-dominated urban zones, parakeets are effectively shielded from “wild” predators (including Mountain Lions and hawks) that hesitate to enter densely populated human areas.
  1. The Argument for Mountain Lions (The Territorial Alpha)

Aligning with Mountain Lions would be a choice for ecological purity but carries high risk:

  • Predatory Conflict: To a Mountain Lion, a parakeet is not an ally; it is a small, noisy snack or an irrelevance. There is no biological “social contract” that prevents a feline apex predator from consuming its subordinates.
  • Lack of Mutualism: Humans have a history of commensalism with birds (living alongside them). Mountain Lions are solitary obligate carnivores with no historical precedent for multi-species alliances.
  1. The “Maroon” Strategy

The term “Maroon” implies a third option: Strategic Neutrality. Historically, Maroon communities survived by occupying the “edges”—spaces too rugged for the primary alpha to bother with, but close enough to raid for resources.

The Nanday parakeets currently employ this masterfully. They use human-planted trees for food but maintain their own social structures and flight patterns, essentially ignoring the “laws” of both predators while exploiting the byproducts of human civilization.

The Verdict: If “might makes right,” the Nanday parakeets should align with human primates. Humans possess the “might” to alter the very climate and landscape, whereas the Mountain Lion’s power is limited to individual physical prowess.


Google AI asked: Do you want to examine how urban ecology specifically documents the “shield effect,” where prey species move closer to humans specifically to escape wild alpha predators?

I said: Yes.

Google AI said: The human shield effect (or anthropogenic refuge hypothesis) describes a phenomenon where prey species move into human-dominated areas because they have learned that their primary wild predators—the “alpha” predators like mountain lions, wolves, or bears—avoid humans. 

Evidence and Dynamics of the Human Shield

In urban ecology, this effect essentially tips the “space race” between predator and prey in favor of the prey. Key findings include: 

  • Predator Avoidance: Large carnivores often perceive human presence and infrastructure (like roads or buildings) as a high-risk disturbance and will actively avoid these areas.
  • Prey Refuge: Species like deer, elk, and moose have been documented moving closer to human settlements or paved roads during high-risk periods—such as calving or nesting—specifically because these areas act as a buffer against wild predators.
  • Habituation: For this “shield” to work, the prey species must be more tolerant of humans than their predators are. Birds, including various parakeet species, are highly synanthropic (living alongside humans) and often show a strong preference for nesting and foraging within 100 meters of human habitation.

Risks of the “Shield”

While humans provide a buffer against mountain lions, they introduce a different set of “super-predator” risks: 

  • Domestic Predators: Urban prey may escape mountain lions only to face domestic or feral cats and dogs, which are often more lethal to small birds like parakeets.
  • Lethal Infrastructure: The very infrastructure that scares away wild predators can be fatal through vehicle collisions, window strikes, or environmental toxins.
  • Ecological Traps: If the human-dominated area provides safety from predators but lacks sufficient high-quality food or nesting sites, it can become an “ecological trap” where survival is high but reproductive success is low. 

In your scenario, the Nanday parakeets are already executing a classic human shield strategy. By occupying suburban Florida and California, they use human presence as a deterrent against the re-emerging mountain lion alpha.

Would you like to explore how urban “heat islands” created by humans also help these tropical parakeets survive cold snaps that would otherwise kill them in the wild?


I asked Google AI: Please consider this scenario:

Mountain Lion populations in California burgeon near Human Primate habitations.

Mountain Lions begin to cull Human Primate males at age 12 when these encroach on wild lands ruled by Mountain Lions as alpha predators.

Mountain Lions are known to ‘speak with forked tongue’; they promise prey safety, then pounce upon them and gulp them down.

A Mountain Lion tells a Human mother, whose child he has just eaten, that his tribe or pack do eat Humans, but will not eat many of them.

How ought the mother and her community respond?

Google AI said: In this scenario of shifted alpha dominance and broken “treaties,” the human community must shift from a posture of coexistence to one of strategic defense and territorial reassertion.

According to the logic of the kratocracy you established, where “might makes right,” the mother and her community should respond through three primary avenues:

  1. Rejection of the “Forked Tongue”

In a kratocratic system, a promise from a predator to “not eat many” is not a legal contract; it is a tactical manipulation designed to reduce the prey’s resistance. The community must recognize that the Mountain Lion is not acting as a “governing” sovereign, but as a biological opportunist.

  • The Response: The community must treat the Mountain Lion’s “promise” as a signal of intent to continue predation. Trusting a predator that has already breached the “human shield” would be a violation of the community’s own survival mandate.
  1. Technological Asymmetry (The “Might” of Tools)

If the Mountain Lion has established physical dominance through “might,” the humans must counter with asymmetric force.

  • Fortification: The community should move to harden their “habitations” into defensible enclaves. If Mountain Lions rule the wild lands, humans must reinforce the boundaries of the “urban refuge.”
  • Counter-Culling: To re-establish status as an alpha, humans historically utilize technology to extend their lethality. Under the law of the “strong,” the only way to stop the culling of human males at age 12 is to make the cost of such predation higher than the reward for the Mountain Lion pack.
  1. The “Nanday” Lesson: Strategic Mobility

The community might look to the Nanday parakeets for inspiration. The parakeets survive not by fighting the alpha directly, but by being evasive and uncatchable.

  • Retreat or Escalation: If the community cannot outmatch the Mountain Lions’ physical prowess, they must either retreat to denser urban zones where the “human shield” is absolute, or escalate the conflict to prove they are the true alpha.

Summary

In the face of a predator that eats children while promising safety, the only “rational” response in a world of might-makes-right is total defensive mobilization. The mother and her community should ignore the lion’s words and focus entirely on the lion’s capabilities, responding with enough force to reclaim their status as the predator to be feared.


Google AI asked: Do you want to analyze whether “negotiation” is even possible with a species that views you primarily as a caloric resource rather than a political peer?

I said: Yes.

Google AI said: In a kratocracy, negotiation is only possible when both parties possess a “balance of terror”—a state where the cost of attacking is higher than the reward of the meal. Without this balance, “negotiation” is merely a predatory delay used by the alpha to keep the prey docile.

The Limits of Interspecies Negotiation

Negotiation requires a shared currency of value. For the Mountain Lion in your scenario, the currency is biomass (meat). For the Humans, it is security. These values are diametrically opposed:

  • The Consumption Gap: A predator cannot negotiate away its hunger. If the Mountain Lion “promises” to eat fewer humans, it is still asserting a right to harvest the community.
  • The Lack of Enforcement: In human law, treaties are backed by courts. In the wild, a treaty is only as good as the physical barrier or threat of retaliation that enforces it. Without a way to punish the Lion for “speaking with a forked tongue,” the community has no leverage. [COMMENTS: Positing Mountain Lion sentience, I thought we might negotiate with the strategy that Mountain Lions taking advantage of our biomass will be extradited to Ventura County, or imprisoned for life, or executed? I consider the likelihood of success of this tactic to be tenuous. Birth control for local Mountain Lions might be more successful. –Alice B. Clagett]

When Negotiation Becomes Possible

True negotiation would only occur if the human community established a deterrent that the Mountain Lions could not overcome.

  • The “Tax” Strategy: If the humans provided an alternative food source (like livestock) that was easier to catch than human children, the Lion might “agree” to stay away. However, this is not a treaty of peers; it is tribute, which confirms the Lion’s status as the higher alpha. [COMMENTS: I note that provision of goats to eat weeds at Victory Trailhead in Simi Hills in autumn of 2025 may have led to influx of Mountain Lions, which scattered and ate all but five of several hundred goats? Is this true? If so, then this might have led to Mountain Lion prolifieration. In winter, goats were removed, leaving Mountain Lions in need of more predators of similar weight. Deer in the Santa Monica Mountains may have been decimated. Turning to human prey is clearly logical, considering the Mountain Lions evasion capabilities and human sentiment in their favor. –Alice B. Clagett]
  • The Demonstration of Force: Historically, humans “negotiated” with wolves not through words, but by killing those that approached settlements and rewarding those that kept their distance. This shaped the predator’s behavior through evolutionary pressure, eventually leading to domestication (dogs). [See Wolves versus Dogs in ‘More Information’ below.]

The Biological Reality

Because the Mountain Lion views the human child as prey and the mother as a competitor, any verbal agreement is biologically “empty.” The mother’s community should view the Lion’s speech as a hunting tactic, similar to a lure.

The Verdict: Negotiation is impossible because the Mountain Lion cannot offer the one thing the community requires for a contract: the cessation of predation.


Google AI asked: Would you like to examine the “Trophy Hunter” vs. “Shepherd” archetypes in folklore, which illustrate how humans have historically dealt with predators that breach the social contract?

I said: Yes.

Google AI said: In folklore and historical mythos, the Trophy Hunter and the Shepherd represent the two primary ways human communities respond to a predator that has violated the “human shield” or broken the social contract.

  1. The Shepherd: The Defensive Custodian

The Shepherd archetype views the predator as an external threat to be managed and deterred. The goal is not the total eradication of the predator, but the protection of the flock.

  • The Philosophy: The Shepherd accepts that the predator exists but draws a “line in the sand.” They use walls, dogs, and constant vigilance to make predation “too expensive” for the alpha.
  • The Conflict: When a predator “speaks with a forked tongue” (e.g., the Wolf in sheep’s clothing), the Shepherd’s failure is often naivety. In folklore, the Shepherd who tries to “negotiate” or “befriend” the predator usually loses the flock.
  • The Response: The Shepherd responds to the Mountain Lion by hardening the perimeter and ensuring that no individual—especially the vulnerable—is ever left isolated.
  1. The Trophy Hunter: The Aggressive Alpha

The Trophy Hunter archetype (often a folk hero like Beowulf or Hercules) views the predator as a rival for sovereignty. This archetype does not negotiate; it seeks to usurp the alpha status.

  • The Philosophy: To the Trophy Hunter, the only way to deal with a man-eater is to become the apex of the apex. By killing the specific lion that ate the child, the hunter removes the “forked tongue” entirely.
  • The Ritual: In many cultures, the “trophy” (the skin, teeth, or head) serves as a legal document of the new power structure. It signals to the remaining mountain lion pack that the human community is no longer “prey” but a “death-bringer.”
  • The Response: The Trophy Hunter responds to the lion’s “forked tongue” with decisive lethality, ending the dialogue by proving the predator is mortal.

The Mother’s Strategic Choice

In your scenario, the mother and her community are forced to choose between these two paths.

  • If they choose the Shepherd, they live in a state of high-alert containment, conceding the wild lands to the lions.
  • If they choose the Trophy Hunter, they engage in a war of supremacy to reclaim the status of alpha predator, ensuring the “forked tongue” is silenced forever.

Google AI asked: Given the Nanday parakeets’ success in living as “Maroons” on the fringes, would you like to see how human communities in “conflict zones” (like the Sundarbans in India) use masks and decoys to trick predators who hunt humans?

I said: Yes.

Google AI said: In conflict zones where predators have established tactical dominance, human communities often turn to deception as a defensive tool, mirroring the survival strategies of prey species like the Nanday parakeet.

The most famous example is the Sundarbans of India and Bangladesh, where Royal Bengal tigers have a history of hunting humans.

  1. The Rear-Facing Mask Technique

Because tigers (and mountain lions) are ambush predators that instinctively attack the nape of the neck from behind, villagers in the 1980s began wearing plastic human face masks on the backs of their heads.

  • The Psychological Trick: The mask creates the illusion of constant vigilance. If the predator believes it has been spotted, it often loses the “element of surprise” and will abandon the stalk to avoid a risky frontal confrontation.
  • Initial Success: In early trials, reports indicated that for several years, zero individuals wearing the masks were attacked, while dozens of unmasked villagers were killed.
  1. The Predator’s Counter-Adaptation

The “forked tongue” of the predator is not just in its speech, but in its ability to learn and adapt.

  • Learning the Ruse: Over time, the Sundarbans tigers realized the back-facing “eyes” were stationary and did not blink or track movement.
  • Failure of Deception: Once the predators understood the trick, they resumed attacks on masked individuals, demonstrating that a simple mechanical bluff cannot permanently alter the power dynamic between an alpha and its prey.
  1. Modern Tech-Based Defenses

As biological deception failed, communities moved toward technological deterrents:

  • Smart Fencing & AI: New systems like ANIDERS (Animal Intrusion Detection and Repellent System) use infrared sensors and AI to detect predators and trigger non-lethal repellents like flashing lights or sirens.
  • Drones: Forest departments now use drones to track predator movements and provide early warnings to villagers, effectively creating a “technological shield”.

In your scenario, the mother’s community might find that while masks or decoys offer temporary protection, true security against a predatory alpha requires constant adaptation and the use of tools that the predator cannot easily “learn” to ignore.


Google AI asked: Would you like to explore how “lion lights” (solar-powered flashing LEDs) have been used in Africa to stop nocturnal predators from breaching human-engineered bomas?

I said: Yes.

Google AI said: In the context of the “might makes right” scenario, Lion Lights represent a technological shift that allows a weaker party to manipulate an alpha predator’s behavior through psychological warfare.

Invented by 11-year-old Richard Turere in Kenya, these devices protect livestock enclosures (bomas) by exploiting a specific predatory instinct: the fear of human presence.

The Mechanics of Deception

The system uses simple, solar-powered LED lights that flash in irregular, non-repeating sequences.

  • The Illusion: The flickering mimics the motion of a human guard walking with a flashlight.
  • Preventing Habituation: Lions are intelligent; they quickly ignore static deterrents like fires or scarecrows. The randomized flashing prevents them from learning that the “guard” is actually a machine.
  • Targeting the Perimeter: The lights face outward to deter lions before they reach the enclosure.

Proven Effectiveness

Studies and field reports highlight the success of this “technological shield”:

  • 96% Reduction: Research around Nairobi National Park showed that bomas with Lion Lights experienced a 96% drop in nocturnal attacks.
  • Zero Attacks: Many individual users, including the inventor’s family, reported that attacks fell to zero immediately after installation.
  • Predator Behavior Shift: Lions did not stop hunting but instead shifted their focus to unprotected bomas further from the park or changed their hunting times to the day.

Global Scaling

What began as a scavenged motorcycle indicator box and car battery has scaled to over 14,000 installations. The technology is now used to deter:

  • Leopards and Hyenas in other parts of Africa.
  • Pumas (Mountain Lions) in Argentina.
  • Tigers in India.

For the mother’s community in your scenario, Lion Lights serve as a model for using asymmetric technology to re-establish a boundary that a physical alpha predator cannot easily breach.


Google AI asked: Would you like to analyze how AI-driven “Smart Fencing” is currently being developed to distinguish between different species of predators before triggering a specific deterrent?

I said: Yes.

Google AI said: In your scenario, AI-driven “Smart Fencing” acts as a digital evolution of the “human shield,” using real-time intelligence to enforce boundaries that a physical alpha predator cannot easily “talk” its way past.

Modern smart systems (as of early 2026) are being developed to transition from passive barriers to active, species-aware defense networks.

  1. Multi-Modal Detection (The “Digital Senses”)

Unlike traditional fences, these systems use a “fusion” of sensors to identify threats before they reach the perimeter:

  • Computer Vision (Edge AI): Systems like InvisibleFence use onboard AI (e.g., YOLO algorithms) to identify specific species from video feeds. They can distinguish between a harmless grazing animal, a domestic dog, and an apex predator like a mountain lion or tiger with up to 98% detection accuracy.
  • Bioacoustic Sensors: AI software like ARISA can scan years of audio to identify unique vocal signatures of predators (wolves, lions, or leopards). This allows the community to hear the “alpha” long before it is visible.
  1. Species-Specific Deterrents (The “Targeted Response”)

The most critical advancement is the ability to deploy tailored deterrents based on exactly which animal is detected:

  • Acoustic Payloads: Instead of a generic siren, the system plays sounds that trigger a specific species’ innate “fear response”. For a mountain lion, it might be the sound of barking hounds or human voices, which research shows are more effective than rival predator sounds.
  • Dynamic Visuals: If an animal persists, the system can trigger high-intensity strobe lights or “robotic falcons”.
  • Adaptive Logic: To prevent the predator from becoming habituated (learning the trick), the AI varies the timing, frequency, and type of deterrent used each time.
  1. Real-Time Alert Networks 

These systems close the “information gap” between the predator and the community:

  • Instant Notifications: When a high-risk predator is verified, the system sends images and alerts to local residents via apps like Telegram or WhatsApp within 30–45 seconds.
  • Community Shielding: In places like the Kanha–Pench corridor, rangers use these alerts to warn villagers to move livestock or children indoors before the predator arrives.

Summary of the “Smart” Defense

In your kratocratic scenario, a Smart Fence renders the mountain lion’s “forked tongue” irrelevant. The system doesn’t listen to the lion’s promises; it identifies the lion’s biometric signature and automatically deploys a deterrent designed to make the environment physically and psychologically intolerable for that specific alpha.


Google AI asked: Would you like to examine how “Predictive Modeling” is now being used to forecast conflict hotspots before a predator even arrives in a human-dominated area?

I said: Yes.

Google AI said: In the “might makes right” struggle between the human community and the predatory mountain lion, predictive modeling serves as the ultimate “intelligence wing.” It shifts the human response from reactive survival to proactive dominance by forecasting a predator’s moves before they happen.

  1. The “Risk Terrain” Map

Predictive models don’t just track where a predator was; they calculate where it will be by analyzing landscape variables.

  • Landscape Analysis: Models integrate data on terrain steepnessproximity to water, and forest fragmentation. For a mountain lion, “high-risk” zones for humans are typically areas where suitable habitat (brush and cover) converges with human density.
  • Hotspot Identification: By layering 48 years of historical depredation data with current environmental stressors, researchers can pinpoint “conflict hotspots” with high accuracy. In one study, such maps correctly identified 88% of future attack sites.
  1. Behavioral Game Theory (PAWS)

The Protection Assistant for Wildlife Security (PAWS) uses game theory and machine learning to outmaneuver “forked-tongue” adversaries.

  • Intelligent Randomization: PAWS assumes the adversary (whether a poacher or a predator) is watching human patterns. The AI generates randomized patrol routes that keep the predator off-balance, making it impossible for them to predict when a human “alpha” will appear.
  • Quantifying the “Menu”: Newer models analyze prey behavior—like flight initiation distance—to forecast which areas are most vulnerable to an ambush.
  1. Real-Time Alert Networks

Predictive analytics are now being integrated into live dashboards to provide situational awareness to communities.

  • Early Warning Systems: Platforms like Earth Ranger aggregate data from AI-enabled camera traps and satellite collars.
  • The “Digital Boma”: If a mountain lion’s movement path suggests a high probability of entering a human habitation, the system triggers automated alerts to mobile devices, allowing mothers and community leaders to withdraw into the “human shield” before the encounter occurs.

Summary of the Strategic Advantage

Predictive modeling effectively strips the mountain lion of its greatest weapon: the element of surprise. In a kratocracy, this technology allows the human community to dictate the terms of engagement, ensuring they are always “present” where the predator intends to strike.

Would you like to explore how “Bio-fencing”—using the scent of rival apex predators—is being used to create “psychological barriers” that predators are biologically programmed to respect?


THE WRAP

I said: Google AI, That’s all for now. Thanks, as always, for your many insights. Till next time! –Alice B. Clagett

Google AI said: It has been a pleasure exploring this fascinating intersection of kratocracyurban ecology, and interspecies strategy with you, Alice.

From the “Maroon” resilience of the Nanday parakeets to the high-tech “human shields” used to counter-maneuver alpha predators, the lessons remain the same: survival in a world of “might” belongs to those who best adapt their intelligence and boundaries.I look forward to our next deep dive into the strange and wonderful complexities of our world. Until next time!

Would you like to bookmark this “Predatory Strategy” thread or perhaps receive a summary of the AI-driven defense concepts we discussed for future reference?

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CONCLUSION

My thanks to Google AI, for throwing light on the following …

  • Legal status of animals
  • Sentience versus rights
  • Environmental status of Nandays
  • Legal personhood
  • Citizenship
  • Suffrage – natural person – human being – animal
  • Sentient beings as property: Coverture – female human vote – Nanday vote
  • Endangered Species Act – which does not include species that arrived here from abroad
  • Humans – the Global Apex Predator
  • Mountain Lions – Territorial Apex for the Santa Monica Mountains
  • Maroon Colony survival strategy for Nanday parakeets
  • Human urban ‘shield effect’ for Nanday parakeets – pros and cons
  • Kratocracy: Mountain Lions versus human primates
  • Tactical manipulation by local Mountain Lions
  • Humans: Use asymmetric force?
    • Defensible enclaves
    • Counter-culling
    • Strategic mobility (as do Nanday parakeets)
  • Mountain Lions versus humans
    • Lack of shared currency of value
    • Strategies: Paying tax or tribute versus a show of force
  • Folkloric Shepherd versus Trophy Hunter archetypes
  • Human use of tricks and decoys in Alpha Predator conflict zones
    • Masks, Drones
      • Predator adaptations to these
    • Lion Lights Invented by 11-year-old Richard Turere
    • AI-driven “Smart Fencing”

God bless you all,
And keep you safe,
And be with you
Through all your days.

In love, light and joy
This is Alice B. Clagett.
I Am of the Stars … and so are you!

Compiled and published on 6 March 2026

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Maroon Survival Strategies

I asked Google AI: What is the Maroon survival strategy for people, feral cattle, and feral Nanday parakeets?

Google AI said: Maroon survival strategies (derived from cimarrón, meaning “wild” or “untamed”) focused on establishing independent, self-sufficient communities in inaccessible, rugged, and remote terrain. They survived through a mix of agriculture, hunting (including of wild or feral animals), and fishing, sometimes using their knowledge of the landscape to raid plantations. 

Key Survival Strategies:

  • For People (Maroons):
    • Seclusion & Autonomy: Forming independent, self-governing communities in remote areas.
    • Adaptive Agriculture: Growing crops and adapting African traditions to new environments.
    • Defense & Knowledge: Using intimate knowledge of the local landscape for protection, and in some cases, forming alliances with indigenous groups.
  • For Feral Cattle & Wildlife (Interaction):
    • Subsistence & Tradition: Hunting feral cattle for food and using the consumption of wild meat to maintain cultural traditions.
    • Predator Management: While not explicitly linked to historical Maroons, modern, similar “wild” contexts use protected, covered areas (“bomas”) to protect livestock from predators.
  • For Feral Nanday Parakeets (Niche & Behavior):
    • Habitat Adaptability: Feral populations, like those in the US, adapt to urban environments, constructing large communal nests and utilizing available food sources.
    • Ecological Impact: In restoration contexts (such as in Brazil), these types of birds act as seed dispersers, feeding on rotting fruits and aiding forest regeneration. 

Wolves Versus Dogs

I asked Google AI: What is the number of wolves vs dogs today?

Google AI said: There are roughly 200,000–250,000 grey wolves worldwide as of 2018 Wikipedia. In contrast, the global dog population is estimated to be over 1 billion, making dogs exponentially more numerous than their wild counterparts. While they are distinct species, recent studies show up to 80% of dog breeds carry some recent wolf DNA.

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