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Purgatory: Astral Subplane 4N . by Alice B. Clagett

Filmed on 16 August 2015; published on 22 April 2016; transcribed on 10 February 2019

    • Fourth Subplane Negative
    • On Body Elementals
    • Scapegoating That Occurs When a Group’s Spiritual Teacher Is Not Your Spiritual Teacher
    • Alice’s Incarnational Stories: A Child in India
    • On an Attitude of Religious Tolerance
    • Conclusion

Dear Ones,

This is about astral subplane 4 negative, known in the Christian faiths as ‘purgatory’. In that realm, patriarchal domination, group concensus, social opprobrium, judgments and vengeance rule folks’ thought forms, and so they have no free will. Also: body elementals that are grouchy; a reincarnation story; curses and vengeance vs religious tolerance and forgiveness; and adopting a lighthearted approach to societal opprobrium, scapegoating, and bloodletting.

There is a lightly edited Summary after the video …



Hello, Dear Ones, It’s Alice. I Am of the Stars.

Fourth Subplane Negative

I have a notion, now, about what the middle astral planes are like … around level 4, around there. I think that area is where people’s astral form is fairly well solidified, and well formed. It looks like people are when you look at them in the real, 3D world … the physical world … except that they are astral.

And I think one of the characteristics of that part of the astral realm is that, for one thing, men tend to lord it over women; it is a patriarchal domination kind of area, in 4N (fourth level negative). And the other thing is that judgments abound: People are always judging other people. And other people feel bad about being judged. [laughs] So people have a lot of opinions about other people, and how they should live their lives. And everybody is afraid to depart from the consensus of their group about how they should be!

I call this a purgatory world. In fact, when people make love, in that area … fourth subplane negative) … instead of saying something positive about it, the men are saying: Purgatory, purgatory, purgatory! [laughs]

I asked one of them once, from a great distance: Why are you saying ‘purgatory’ when you are enjoying yourself? 

And he said: I never thought about it; that’s just the way I learned to do it.

Purgatory, I guess, is like that: It is when we depend upon other people for ideas about things, and we do not find the enjoyment in things that can be greatly enjoyed. So I am saying goodbye to fourth subplane negative!

On Body Elementals

Well, so, when I concluded talking about that purgatory story, I heard, from a long way, the nature spirit … the body elemental (BE) that is charged with that thought. And it was embarrassed! I did not know that body elementals could get embarrassed; but it was upset with me for saying that. And it wanted to clarify that it only thought that thought “purgatory” when it could not conclude with its business.

So then I said: Well, would it be ok, then, at the very conclusion, to say a word like “Hallelujah,” or some kind of word like that … some kind of happy word?

And it was in such a temper it just stalked away and groused off. [laughs]

Maybe it will think about it. BEs do not have very big mental processes; they usually have but one function to carry out. Sometimes I think of them as ‘bees’, because some body elementals have that quality of stinging us, or goading us into action, or doing something that we do not like … in which case, if you interfere, it is kind of like stepping into a hornet’s nest … into a swarm of bees. [laughs]

But most of them are not like that; most of them are very helpful. They only get out of tune or out of temper when we program them with some kind of information that is not natural to them, you know? Because love and Light is their quality, just like it is ours. That is enough of that.

Scapegoating That Occurs When a Group’s Spiritual Teacher Is Not Your Spiritual Teacher

This is further to the discussion of the fourth level of the astral plane negative: We were talking a little about judgment and the opinion of the group, that you have to hold the same opinions as they do, and behave in the same way as they do, and how these are hallmarks of that level of the astral plane … the kind of place where free will just does not exist, you know?

I thought I would give an example about that, which is a rather extreme example. This has to do with, when someone else has a spiritual teacher that is not your spiritual teacher.

You know how folks on Earth congregate round particular spiritual teachers? … like, for instance, Christ is esteemed by many as the most important spiritual teacher on Earth. And among many other people, the Buddha is. And in addition to these two, great teachers, there are many other great teachers at all levels, that have their adherents.

So there are all kinds of spiritual groups that have their adherents. And one of the worst insults that you can do to a spiritual group, is to tell them that you do not like their spiritual teacher. And this can take all kinds of subtle forms … but what it results in, is massive, group condemnation.

They will rise, as one, and turn against you, the single individual who does not like their teacher, who means very much to them, in terms of spiritual leadership, and a way to live by, and all that. It is ‘the be all and the end all’ in some cases, you know?

And as if that were not enough, lots of times some aspect … some shadow aspect of that spiritual teacher, or that guru, or that ascended master, or that great teacher who is on the astral realm, will attack you personally! What a fix to be in! What a place, in the astral realm, to find yourself in! Do you not think?

Actually, I find myself in that position, right now. And I have tried all kinds of ways of getting out of it. I am just stuck in fourth subplane negative, right now.

And what I feel, is that the students of this teacher, that I feel is not my teacher … Christ is my teacher! … I am willing to say it: Christ is my teacher! … But there are a lot of other good teachers out there, and there are an awful lot of groups that are willing to pillory you, and condemn you, if you do not believe in their teacher.

Go figure! Because all the teachers are heading towards the Light, and heading up, and planning on God consciousness, and like that, You would think they would form an alliance; I hope they formed an alliance … but even if they have formed an alliance, this thing about social contracts and scapegoating and bloodletting, and all this stuff, is still happening on Earth, for the groups that feel that somebody else is not a member of their group … and most particularly, not an adherent of their spiritual teacher. Hum!

It comes in the form of trick questions; like, just now, I was talking on the psychic plane. I was trying not to; I was heading home; I was getting kind of tired. I had been out in nature all day long. I was heading home, and somebody asked me, on the psychic plane, kind of a trick question. It was about their spiritual teacher. And they asked about a past lifetime in which I had known that spiritual teacher, and something bad had happened. They asked me what had happened.

And when I explained what had happened, they became extremely furious … full of unconscious curses about how I had dissed their guru.

First of all: It was their question. I should have been astute enough to ask them to talk to their own spiritual teacher, or pursue that person’s teachings.

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Alice’s Incarnational Stories: A Child in India

I will tell you what happened in that other lifetime …

It was a century or so ago; I was a child in India. It was kind of a good story in the long run. [Everybody is taking their boats home from the lake right now; and they have to go uphill to get there, so it is a little bit noisy. You will pardon me. The Sun is going to be setting pretty soon.] So anyway, this thing happened to me. I am kind of in a quandary. About that lifetime, what happened was …

I was a child of two or three; I had just learned to walk. I was in India. And I was with my mom at a market in India. You know, the markets in India … they are not like markets in the United States. It is an open air market, and there is a lot of commotion and confusion. 

A sadhu walked by. To me, he was an older person; but probably, I guess, maybe in his thirties. And he had the typical sadhu appearance …

Image: “Sadhus Walking on Kathmandu Durbar Square,” taken by Peter Akkermans, Konica Minolta Digital Camera, Nepal, May 2007, from Wikimedia Commons … https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Sadhus_Kathmandu.jpg … CC BY-SA 3.0 Unported

Image: “Sadhus Walking on Kathmandu Durbar Square,” taken by Peter Akkermans, Konica Minolta Digital Camera, Nepal, May 2007; transferred from en.wikipedia to Commons by Usr: Quadell, CC BY-SA 3.0 Unported

… and I was intrigued by his spiritual air. Even at the age of two or three, I had had an interest in spirituality, you know? So just … magically … I started following him. And while I was following him … probably I was not even aware of it … I lost my mother in the crowd.

I found myself in completely strange surroundings. And he turned; and he saw me following him. And he saw the look in my eyes, that I wanted to be a spiritual student of his. And he threw me down into a gutter.

There I was, completely lost! And you know, life is not of much value in India … or at least, back then it was not. I was very fortunate! I was crying in the gutter, and a woman found me, who raised me up as if I were her own child. I was extremely fortunate in that.

In my latter years … after I had had a husband, and children … and raised my children, and taken care of my husband … there was time, at the end of my life, for me to practice kirtan. There were years in which I was able to practice kirtan every day, and sing with the other ladies in the temple. It was pretty cool. It was a very cool experience!

But the thing is, the sadhu was the same person as the spiritual teacher to which this other person referred. Now, what are you going to do? You know? For me, that kind of person is not the kind of person for me. For the next person, it might be just their cup of tea. 

On an Attitude of Religious Tolerance

But I think we, as spiritual people, during this process when everybody’s thoughts are becoming transparent to everybody else … I think we need to stand back, and be very copacetic with all the other spiritual groups’ religious beliefs … and their spiritual teachers, their ascended masters, their gurus, and like that. 

If we are Christian, let us not laugh at people who are Buddhist; Buddhism is their sincere belief. If we are people who have had bad experiences, in past lifetimes, with spiritual teachers that are much revered by groups today, then let us give them the space to do what they wish.

And let us be careful not to be criticizing them, in any way: For this is their choice, towards the higher consciousness. And most particularly, let us not curse other people, simply because they are not on our spiritual path. Let us not harbor vengeance, or hardness of heart, or desire to get even with them for not believing what we believe.

Otherwise, as the Ascension process continues, we will create for ourselves this terrible level of hell … or I should say, purgatory … because there in the middle [points to mid-chest] that place is where we are not free to express our true selves, because of the opinion of other people. 

There is something about forgiveness … It just immediately lifts up the heart, and lifts up the Soul to a higher level of the astral plane. And it is not an easy thing to do. I mean, in my case there are people that have been pursuing me on the astral plane for years, for this reason. 

And I used to take it very seriously: Witchcraft? No, I do not think so! You know? … Curses? No, I do not think so! All these charms and things, and manipulation of the second chakra, to get me to be a different way? I do not think so! I Am I … like that. 

Today, it got to be pretty excruciating, again, you know? … pretty excruciating. So finally I thought: Why not just laugh and let it go? … Make a little fun … Make it a light-hearted situation. 

And if that does not work … because most likely, it is not the spiritual teachers that are involved; most likely it is the group consensus. It is the social contract of the group that is causing this. And if the purpose of the group … I mean, this is just a little bit sneaky, ok? … If the purpose of the group is to be in consensus, each with the other, because everyone is concerned about everybody else’s opinion, then a little, light-hearted making fun of the people might have them go away.

And so, I tried a little of that. I did not want to be too heavy duty; but like a little child: Oh my gosh, how silly you are being! This is so silly! I can’t believe it! … like that.

–from Link: “Purgatory: Astral Subplane 4N,” by Alice B. Clagett, filmed on 16 August 2015; published on 22 April 2016 … https://wp.me/p2Rkym-5a7 ..

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If I think of anything else … because I know there are more of you going through this, right now … I will let you know. I know we do not know much of what is going on during this process. I am sure we are going to be taken care of. I am sure it is going to be ok. It is a little bit of a bumpy road today, but I am sure it will be just fine.

Love you all lots. Take care of yourselves. Stick to your spiritual guns. It is all right; it is ok to be yourself. Love you lots. Take care.

In love, light and joy,
I Am of the Stars


Image: “Aster and Chaparral,” by Alice B. Clagett, 17 August 2015, CC BY-SA 4.0

Image: “Aster and Chaparral,” by Alice B. Clagett, 17 August 2015, CC BY-SA 4.0


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United States Constitution: Religious Freedom . by Alice B. Clagett

Filmed on 18 October 2015; published on 19 October 2015

    • Astral Story about a United States ‘Weapon of War’ to Destroy People of Islamic Faith
      • On Islam and Faith in the One God
      • On Christianity, and Walking with Christ
      • America Was Founded on the Principle of Freedom from Religious Freedom
      • Timeline Shift to Escape from the Astral Story of the ‘Weapon of War’
    • Legends of the Sikhs of India
      • Sikh Faith Compared to Islamic and Hindu Faiths
      • SIkhs: Respect for Women
      • Sikhs: Protecting People of Other Faiths
    • On Upholding the Principle of Religious Tolerance
    • On Separating the Concept of Violence from That of Discrimination Against Religions

Dear Ones,

Here are a few stories to do with religious tolerance and freedom of religion. There is a lightly edited Summary after the video …



Hello, Dear Ones, It’s Alice. I Am of the Stars.

I thought I would talk just for a moment today about religious freedom and religious tolerance in the world today. And I would like to compare two different examples of that …

Astral Story about a United States ‘Weapon of War’ to Destroy People of Islamic Faith

One is complete fantasy: It was an astral story that I heard the other day … actually, a very terrifying astral story. But fortunately, because of my timeline shifting skills, I was able to get out of it pretty quickly, without pondering it too deeply. Nevertheless, in retrospect, I think it had a good lesson for me.

The astral story went like this: There was a thought that there was a type of weapon of war that the United States could employ, in the fight against the people of Islamic faith that have that point of view of doing just about anything to uphold their religion … and who are willing to resort to violence in order to do so.

On Islam and Faith in the One God. First I would like to say that my understanding of the Islamic faith is that those people are very much in the minority of all the people, worldwide, who have that faith.

And second, I would like to say that I went, two times, in Los Angeles to a place that was explaining the Islamic faith. There they had people who were Islamic, and other people, like me, who were just learning about the Islamic faith. And there they taught a saying, or prayer, that many Muslims, people of Islamic faith, say all day long, every day … all of their waking hours.

And the prayer went like this: La illah el Allahtraditional meaning: There is no god but Allah. You may have heard of it. It is pretty famous. The feeling that I got from it … although it might not be quite literal, is like this: Allah, of course, is their name for God. And the feeling that I got from the saying is that Allah, or God, is all that is. So another translation of the prayer might be: There is no god but God … meaning that all the ‘gods’ of this world are laid low by their love of the one God who created and sustains all that is.

And they would feel that prayer, and say it with their hearts all day long. And I got to thinking: Wow! What an incredible spiritual practice, for people to remember God every day, all day! Do you not think?

On Christianity, and Walking with Christ. Now we of Christian faith, we might have our own way of doing it. We might call it walking with Christ … imagining that Christ is with us, in His great compassion, walking by our side all day long. And that is our way of doing it.

America Was Founded on the Principle of Freedom from Religious Freedom. We here in America … This country was founded by spiritual, religious refugees who were not able to practice their own faith in their own land. And they came to America, despite the great peril of the journey across the ocean, and the hardships that would face them … in many cases, death; death both of the grownups and of the children … many perils that would face them in their new life in America because, with their deepest hearts, they wished for spiritual freedom.

So this is the cornerstone; this is the purpose of America in the world: To represent freedom of thought, freedom of expression, freedom of religion. The greatest liberty that a person can have, and still be in accord with the needs of the community around him, without hurting anyone else … the most liberty that he or she can have. So there is that.

Timeline Shift to Escape from the Astral Story of the ‘Weapon of War’. Now back to the astral story, a horrible astral story! And it went like this: There was a weapon of war that had been designed, in the fight against the Islamic extremists, that would target anyone who worshiped God in that way, and destroy them … that would home in on the mini-noospheric thought wave of that person who was repeating in his heart: La illah el Allah … La illah el Allah … and destroy him.

This was the thought: That we would destroy someone because of their religious belief. And immediately I said: I am getting out of this astral story! … And I optimized my timelines, and I got out. You know? … Because that is not for me. Liberty and justice for all: That is for me.

That notion is a kind of a fear-based notion, that people of other religions might represent a threat to us, you know? … That any religion might be anti-American. To think of that! Just to think of that!

To my way of thinking, all religions are welcome in America. People of all creeds, all faiths; people of all races are free in America. You know? That is how I see America.

Legends of the Sikhs of India

Sikh Faith Compared to Islamic and Hindu Faiths. Now I am going to take a story from about 500 years ago, I think it was, from ancient India … well, not too ancient; not modern, though. At that time, there were a group of people called the Sikhs. Sikhism was a very unusual religion, because it had some qualities of the Islamic faith, which believed in only one God, Allah. And it had some qualities of the Hindu faith, which was also very prevalent in India at that time.

The Hindus, in contrast, worshipped God in many different aspects. Hinduism is considered, in these modern days, as being a polytheistic religion … having many gods.

So the Sikhs came along. The Sikhs believed in one God. And they also offered, in their morning prayer, the “Japji Sahib,” a variant of that belief that was in line with the Hindu teachings. And the feeling was … as I understand it … that there were those people who related more to the polytheistic notion of God; and there were other people who understood and were in Soul resonance with the monotheistic notion. Somehow or other they combine both notions.

SIkhs: Respect for Women. The Sikhs, the highest point in their history, I felt, had to do with their support of respect for women, which was unheard of in that time. There was a wonderful prayer that was in the Sikh prayer books about why we should respect women. I loved it …

Link: “SIri Guru Granth Sahib,” page 473 … http://www.srigurugranth.org/0473.html … Search the passage beginning: First Mehl

To paraphrase, that passage conveys this meaning: Where would men be, without women? How might they be born, except through the labor pangs of a mother?

How might they be married, except to a woman? Who might be their lifelong friend, except their wife? And without her, how might the future generations of humankind be born? 

Should a man’s wife pass on, will he not seek another wife? To this wife, shall he not be bound, as it was with the first wife, that he loved?

Why, then, would any man call a woman bad? Even a king is born of woman. Every woman is born of a woman. There would be no one on Earth, were it not for woman … no one at all.

Nanak, the great wise teacher of the Sikhs, declares: It is only God who has no need of a woman. Let us praise the blessed and beautiful True Lord, who lights up our faces in his Great Court. –“Siri Guru Granth Sahib,” page 478

Sikhs: Protecting People of Other Faiths. In addition to this respect for women, they also believed in protecting people of other faiths, and standing up against and fighting against injustice anywhere in the world. There were very brave, courageous men in that group.

There came a time when the Muslims … I think it was the Muslims of the Mughal Empire … took over India. Now I am not speaking against the Muslims here; I am just giving an example … The Muslims required that all the Hindus be converted to the Islamic faith at that time. They would capture Hindus, as I recall, and if they would not convert, they would feed them to the emperor’s dogs, or execute them in other awful ways.

Now this story is not really about Hindus and Muslims. It is about freedom to worship as we will. And the Sikhs saw it in that manner. Though they were very few in number, they aligned themselves with the Mind and Heart and Will of God … the one God that they believed in … and they fought, one against 1,000, or 10,000, in protest against the emperor’s very cruel policy. And so they were all wiped out … They were wiped out for the concept of religious freedom.

On Upholding the Principle of Religious Tolerance

I would just like you to take a look at those two examples of a way to live a life … you know? Do we live in fear of other people who are different from us? Do we threaten to destroy people, just because they are different? Or are we accepting of differences … or even willing to defend, with our last breath, the liberty of each person to worship as they will?

Many religious wars have been fought, down through history. So I am not against the Muslims because of the things that happened in the time of the Mughal Empire. 

The one story, above, was in favor of the Muslim faith being able to worship as it will; the other story was in favor of the Hindu faith being able to worship as it will. And I might add, in these days of atheism, the importance of allowing people of the Christian faith, in the United States, to express themselves as Christians in the world today.

God bless and keep you all. Love you lots! …

On Separating the Concept of Violence from That of Discrimination Against Religions

Wouldn’t you know it, I have a postscript. And this has to do with violence and religion. I think we need to separate the issues of violence and religion. To my way of thinking, violence expressed through religion is not religion … but rather, like a dark strand of energy that is sometimes mixed up with religious belief.

You know, the Christian faith went to the Crusades with a strand like that, long ago … a strand of Darkness that included violence and war. And I think probably every religion has dealt with this issue of violence within it.

But all religions tend towards the Light. The purpose of religions is to tend towards the love and Light that are the Universe, and that God expresses through the Universe.

So this issue of violence, I think is a separate thing. People are entitled to believe what they wish. But violence is a crime against the world community. That is how I feel. So in our own minds, when we say: This terrorist activity must stop … we are not speaking to religion. We are speaking to terrorism. You know what I mean?

You are welcome to disagree with me. Food for thought! Love you all.

In love, light and joy,
I Am of the Stars


“Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.” — “Constitution of the United States,” public domain (1)


Here are the basic principles of the Sikh religion:

  • securing justice for humankind, whether social, political, economic, or religious
  • safeguarding the fundamental rights of humankind
  • protecting the saints; uprooting the wicked
  • guaranteeing dignity and equality for all humankind
  • maintaining peaceful co-existence among all religions

Their principles caused the Sikhs to fight against the Mughal Regime in India, as it was violating human rights and causing massacre of the innocents. The upshoot was the establishment of a sovereign, independent Sikh State.

The Sikhs had come into contact with these Afghan and Mughal invaders as the invaders passed through the Punjab … the Sikh homeland … on their way to invade Delhi, India. The Sikhs were greatly outnumbered, but their spirits were aligned with God’s plan for Earth. Their noble cause was based on social and moral responsibility toward humankind. And so, they were willing to lay down their lives for their God. The resultant struggle and victory is an uplifting example for all the world. –adapted from http://americanpunjabinews.com/files/Chapter-7.pdf ..


Link: “Guru Gobind Singh,” in Wikipedia … https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guru_Gobind_Singh ..

Link: “Japji Sahib,” in Wikipedia … https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japji_Sahib ..

Link: “Mughal Empire,” in Wikipedia … https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mughal_Empire ..

LInk: “Sikhism,” in Wikipedia … https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sikhism ..


(1) Link: “Constitution of the United States, page 1.jpg,” in Wikipedia … https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Constitution_of_the_United_States,_page_1.jpg … “This work is in the public domain in the United States because it is a work prepared by an officer or employee of the United States Government as part of that person’s official duties under the terms of Title 17, Chapter 1, Section 105 of the US Code.”


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